Command System Revision

HanSime · 2007.08.23

Forumside post:
http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...id=88000012939

This is a Command system revision, where Cr4 and Cr5 rank get more meaning. Based on another forum post, this is my own version.

The system I'm proposing is basically a cross between Battlefield 2s voting system and
C&C's Generals promotion system, integrated into the Planetside Command Rank system.

Basically, Cr 1 to Cr3 will remain the same as it is now. Cr4 and Cr5 however, will be
expanded quite a bit. Cr4 and Cr5 will be divided in SIX star levels. 0 to 5 stars.

Once you reach Cr4 level, you will be awarded 1 star. See it as being a rookie Cr
of that level. You will obtain the Reveal Enemies as you do now and access to Cr4 /c.
You will also be awarded the option to upgrade ONE of your abilities or obtain a new one:

Upgrade Cr3 blast to Cr4 EMP blast
Upgrade Cr4 /c to Contall ability
Obtain Mini-OS
Squadleader Bonus (affects squad's/platoon's abilities) - only work when you lead
squads

You'll also receive an Outfit Leader bonus if you're OL of an outfit, enhancing your Outfit's
capabilities in a particular field. For example, 10% increased vehicle armour for units driven
by your outfit members. Perhaps some of these could cost Outfit Points to use. Think of it
as the upgrades you can give vehicles or troops in C&C games.

At Cr5 stars 1 to 4, the same thing happens, starting at 1 star, you retain the upgrades
you had as a Cr4, but you can now also select:

Cr4 upgrades you didn't have yet
Upgrade Cr4 EMP to Cr5 EMP
Upgrade Mini-OS to Large-OS (Mini-OS is a prerequesit)
Upgrade /c to /contall and /comall ability (Cr4 contall is not a prerequesit)
More Squadleader Bonus options (some with prerequesits for specialisation) - only
work when you lead squads

Five Star Cr5 upgrades:

Set Empire Homebase (works like platoon homebase, but only within the continent).
Order Empire Recall to Homebase (comes with Setting Homebase ability and only
works for troops on a continent, not outside of it) - works as a squad recall
Order Empire Recall to Sanctuary (global ability) - works as a squad recall
If you're Outfit Leader, a second Outfit Leader Bonus would be awarded.

STARS

Since you have 1 star, you can only obtain one upgrade. To obtain more stars, you'll have
to convince people from other outfits to rank you higher. You can probably best do this by
leading conts well, supporting others and being good for morale, things that are positive
for everyone around you. You'll find that if you abuse your abilities, people will 'demote'
you by adding less or zero stars to your name, potentially revoking you the right to your
upgrades if you had multiple stars, but most importantly, it will disallow you to send com
messages. (Particularly spammers can be shut off this way). You will still retain access to /c.

Voting and Main Character concept

Voting is very simple. Next to the Outfit List, there will be a Commander List. Each and every
commander of Cr4 and higher is listed here (and can be sorted by activity and outfit). Behind
their names, their Star Rank and Cr4 or Cr5 rank is listed. You can then assign, much like you
assign favourite songs in Windows Media Player, stars to each commander, or zero stars to
vote to revoke their com powers.

To prevent abuse, only 5 people per outfit may vote on a single person, where the top 5 ratings
will be used to determine the rating. No Outfitters may not vote, as they're not part of the ranking
system. They may be voted for though and you won't lose your votes by leaving an outfit. Just
your right to vote. Also, I would propose the introduction of a Main Character, where each account
has a Main Character he or she can always log on to. Only the Main Character can vote. You can
only have one Main Character per server, so you can only vote for one Empire. This would remove
the potential of Outfit Rank Spam and Abuse seeing as to get a 5 star Cr5, you'll have to do well
with at least 5 people from ten different outfits.

Note that the existence of a Main Character should increase empire loyalty. A Main Character may
only be changed once every month, but any votes given on the old Main will be frozen and inactive.
Your first created character is by default your Main Character.

Required amount of votes:

0 Stars - 50 0 Stars votes (spread over 10 outfits minimum)
1 Stars - 10 1+ Stars votes (spread over 2 outfits minimum
2 Stars - 20 2+ Stars votes (spread over 4 outfits minimum)
3 Stars - 30 3+ Stars votes (spread over 6 outfits minimum)
4 Stars - 40 4+ Stars votes (spread over 8 outfits minimum)
5 Stars - 50 5 Stars votes (spread over 8 outfits minimum)

Popularity and goal of this system

This basically means a large portion of this system would be popularity. Is this a bad thing? Not
really, because the popularity reflects your popularity within other outfits and thus their trust in
your capabilities to lead them as well. It's not an outfit popularity question.

This system as such is aimed at helping and rewarding those that actively aid the Empire. Particularly
those that would take the effort to lead will be rewarded, as they would be more commonly known.
Those people that are less known and quieter on /c, but do their bit for the empire, will most likely be
known to the Cr5s and Cr4s, so they and their outfit would/should aid in giving them promotions, despite
not making many if any comms. Next to that, it would obstruct global spam and global abuse by directly
punishing those that abuse their Cr powers to grief or spam.

Eventually you'd get a clearer hierarchy within command systems.

Note that people who were ousted from global coms can undo that by doing their bit for the empire,
without abusing their powers, resulting in people regiving them stars instead of their old zero star vote.
But you'll have to do well to compensate, because a lot of people are not easy on forgiving you.

Cr4 to Cr5 progress and selecting upgrades

You can only receive the max number of upgrades, once you've been a Star 5 Cr4. This should encourage
you to do your best on Cr4 in service of the empire because it's largely in your own interest. This will also
wead out the lesser and less interested commanders from having the same amount of powers as the
best leaders your empire has to offer. Apart from contall/comall, you can not lose your Cr4 upgrades once
you've been promoted as a five star Cr4 to Cr5. Even at star 0, you will retain one upgrade per rank above
Cr3 (the free upgrade that came with your increased rank), but you may not global or contall. So if you're a
0 Star Cr5, you can still have your large OS, but no other upgrades.

You should be able to switch upgrades like you do certs, because not everyone will always want to lead, or
realise later on they want to specialise differently. As a Cr5, you have the amount of abilities you can get
through your Cr5 stars, on top of the amount of abilities you gained when you were Cr4.

Note that this will mean that only the good and respected Cr4s could get the full amount of upgrades,
which will show in Cr5. CEP whores probably won't have time to reach 5 star Cr4, making "Nub Cr5s" less
powerfull.

Specialisation

Some Cr4s and higher will want to specialise as Squadleaders, Global Leaders or not be interested in that
and just want their OS. All of this is possible. You can specialise in Squadleader upgrades (Squad Bonusses),
Empire upgrades (Command Upgrades), or personal upgrades (EMP/OS Upgrades). But you can do more so
if you invest a lot in your empire and comrades, because they can and will reward you for your efforts.

Deuling · 2007.08.25

Wow, I like it, and I kinda understand some of it because I used to play Cammand & Conqour Generals (well, I knew they had these arrow things that made them better, I had only been playing for a month maybe). And the main character thing. Yes, it makes sense to have your first character be your main (mine is, sorta, I go on her most of the time). Anyway, great idea, and, of course, like every idea, does need a little tweaking. My two ideas need some changes.

MasterCalaelen · 2007.08.25

Didn't read it all, but having CR4-5 based on voting won't work in this game with all it's ego's, hate, bitching, etc.

People will vote friends to CR4-5, and demote people they don't like, or don't agree with them.

However nice it may sound, it'll never work.

HanSime · 2007.08.25

They do not vote them TO Cr4-5, but when they got it they can increase - or decrease - their capabilities.

And by the way the voting system is setup, you'll need LOTS of friends to really increase your capabilities if you want to rig things. And if you have that many people behind you to get a top Cr5 rating - from a ton of different outfits - you'll probably have deserved it.

Standard friends will only be able to get you a mediocre rating. That in itself is not bad, because you'll be speaking for them.

You could for example limit the amount of top votes you can give out though.

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2007.08.23	#1
HanSime	Command System Revision Forumside post: http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...id=88000012939 This is a Command system revision, where Cr4 and Cr5 rank get more meaning. Based on another forum post, this is my own version. The system I'm proposing is basically a cross between Battlefield 2s voting system and C&C's Generals promotion system, integrated into the Planetside Command Rank system. Basically, Cr 1 to Cr3 will remain the same as it is now. Cr4 and Cr5 however, will be expanded quite a bit. Cr4 and Cr5 will be divided in SIX star levels. 0 to 5 stars. Once you reach Cr4 level, you will be awarded 1 star. See it as being a rookie Cr of that level. You will obtain the Reveal Enemies as you do now and access to Cr4 /c. You will also be awarded the option to upgrade ONE of your abilities or obtain a new one: Upgrade Cr3 blast to Cr4 EMP blast Upgrade Cr4 /c to Contall ability Obtain Mini-OS Squadleader Bonus (affects squad's/platoon's abilities) - only work when you lead squads You'll also receive an Outfit Leader bonus if you're OL of an outfit, enhancing your Outfit's capabilities in a particular field. For example, 10% increased vehicle armour for units driven by your outfit members. Perhaps some of these could cost Outfit Points to use. Think of it as the upgrades you can give vehicles or troops in C&C games. At Cr5 stars 1 to 4, the same thing happens, starting at 1 star, you retain the upgrades you had as a Cr4, but you can now also select: Cr4 upgrades you didn't have yet Upgrade Cr4 EMP to Cr5 EMP Upgrade Mini-OS to Large-OS (Mini-OS is a prerequesit) Upgrade /c to /contall and /comall ability (Cr4 contall is not a prerequesit) More Squadleader Bonus options (some with prerequesits for specialisation) - only work when you lead squads Five Star Cr5 upgrades: Set Empire Homebase (works like platoon homebase, but only within the continent). Order Empire Recall to Homebase (comes with Setting Homebase ability and only works for troops on a continent, not outside of it) - works as a squad recall Order Empire Recall to Sanctuary (global ability) - works as a squad recall If you're Outfit Leader, a second Outfit Leader Bonus would be awarded. STARS Since you have 1 star, you can only obtain one upgrade. To obtain more stars, you'll have to convince people from other outfits to rank you higher. You can probably best do this by leading conts well, supporting others and being good for morale, things that are positive for everyone around you. You'll find that if you abuse your abilities, people will 'demote' you by adding less or zero stars to your name, potentially revoking you the right to your upgrades if you had multiple stars, but most importantly, it will disallow you to send com messages. (Particularly spammers can be shut off this way). You will still retain access to /c. Voting and Main Character concept Voting is very simple. Next to the Outfit List, there will be a Commander List. Each and every commander of Cr4 and higher is listed here (and can be sorted by activity and outfit). Behind their names, their Star Rank and Cr4 or Cr5 rank is listed. You can then assign, much like you assign favourite songs in Windows Media Player, stars to each commander, or zero stars to vote to revoke their com powers. To prevent abuse, only 5 people per outfit may vote on a single person, where the top 5 ratings will be used to determine the rating. No Outfitters may not vote, as they're not part of the ranking system. They may be voted for though and you won't lose your votes by leaving an outfit. Just your right to vote. Also, I would propose the introduction of a Main Character, where each account has a Main Character he or she can always log on to. Only the Main Character can vote. You can only have one Main Character per server, so you can only vote for one Empire. This would remove the potential of Outfit Rank Spam and Abuse seeing as to get a 5 star Cr5, you'll have to do well with at least 5 people from ten different outfits. Note that the existence of a Main Character should increase empire loyalty. A Main Character may only be changed once every month, but any votes given on the old Main will be frozen and inactive. Your first created character is by default your Main Character. Required amount of votes: 0 Stars - 50 0 Stars votes (spread over 10 outfits minimum) 1 Stars - 10 1+ Stars votes (spread over 2 outfits minimum 2 Stars - 20 2+ Stars votes (spread over 4 outfits minimum) 3 Stars - 30 3+ Stars votes (spread over 6 outfits minimum) 4 Stars - 40 4+ Stars votes (spread over 8 outfits minimum) 5 Stars - 50 5 Stars votes (spread over 8 outfits minimum) Popularity and goal of this system This basically means a large portion of this system would be popularity. Is this a bad thing? Not really, because the popularity reflects your popularity within other outfits and thus their trust in your capabilities to lead them as well. It's not an outfit popularity question. This system as such is aimed at helping and rewarding those that actively aid the Empire. Particularly those that would take the effort to lead will be rewarded, as they would be more commonly known. Those people that are less known and quieter on /c, but do their bit for the empire, will most likely be known to the Cr5s and Cr4s, so they and their outfit would/should aid in giving them promotions, despite not making many if any comms. Next to that, it would obstruct global spam and global abuse by directly punishing those that abuse their Cr powers to grief or spam. Eventually you'd get a clearer hierarchy within command systems. Note that people who were ousted from global coms can undo that by doing their bit for the empire, without abusing their powers, resulting in people regiving them stars instead of their old zero star vote. But you'll have to do well to compensate, because a lot of people are not easy on forgiving you. Cr4 to Cr5 progress and selecting upgrades You can only receive the max number of upgrades, once you've been a Star 5 Cr4. This should encourage you to do your best on Cr4 in service of the empire because it's largely in your own interest. This will also wead out the lesser and less interested commanders from having the same amount of powers as the best leaders your empire has to offer. Apart from contall/comall, you can not lose your Cr4 upgrades once you've been promoted as a five star Cr4 to Cr5. Even at star 0, you will retain one upgrade per rank above Cr3 (the free upgrade that came with your increased rank), but you may not global or contall. So if you're a 0 Star Cr5, you can still have your large OS, but no other upgrades. You should be able to switch upgrades like you do certs, because not everyone will always want to lead, or realise later on they want to specialise differently. As a Cr5, you have the amount of abilities you can get through your Cr5 stars, on top of the amount of abilities you gained when you were Cr4. Note that this will mean that only the good and respected Cr4s could get the full amount of upgrades, which will show in Cr5. CEP whores probably won't have time to reach 5 star Cr4, making "Nub Cr5s" less powerfull. Specialisation Some Cr4s and higher will want to specialise as Squadleaders, Global Leaders or not be interested in that and just want their OS. All of this is possible. You can specialise in Squadleader upgrades (Squad Bonusses), Empire upgrades (Command Upgrades), or personal upgrades (EMP/OS Upgrades). But you can do more so if you invest a lot in your empire and comrades, because they can and will reward you for your efforts.

2007.08.25	#2
Deuling	Re: Command System Revision Wow, I like it, and I kinda understand some of it because I used to play Cammand & Conqour Generals (well, I knew they had these arrow things that made them better, I had only been playing for a month maybe). And the main character thing. Yes, it makes sense to have your first character be your main (mine is, sorta, I go on her most of the time). Anyway, great idea, and, of course, like every idea, does need a little tweaking. My two ideas need some changes.

2007.08.25	#3
MasterCalaelen	Re: Command System Revision Didn't read it all, but having CR4-5 based on voting won't work in this game with all it's ego's, hate, bitching, etc. People will vote friends to CR4-5, and demote people they don't like, or don't agree with them. However nice it may sound, it'll never work.

2007.08.25	#4
HanSime	Re: Command System Revision They do not vote them TO Cr4-5, but when they got it they can increase - or decrease - their capabilities. And by the way the voting system is setup, you'll need LOTS of friends to really increase your capabilities if you want to rig things. And if you have that many people behind you to get a top Cr5 rating - from a ton of different outfits - you'll probably have deserved it. Standard friends will only be able to get you a mediocre rating. That in itself is not bad, because you'll be speaking for them. You could for example limit the amount of top votes you can give out though.