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http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx
I sure as hell do after seeing this on my computer. I need a new fucking processor to try the highest resolution tho... this 1.53GHz Althon64 can barely push the 720s.
Definately check out Coral Reef... it's bad ass.
Too bad Microsoft makes everyone who uses it's HD standard pay royalties. When will the IEEE step in and make a true standard? Hopefully sometime in the next few years.
hard drive?
oh.
"High Definition Content Showcase"
HD shouldn't be a valid computer acronym, imo.
eccentric4
2004.04.23, 0736
Seconded...I clicked cuz I could always use HD space... but still... *drool* and gad domn Microsoft and their $$...Whatever happened to technology for the masses? Oh wait, that's Win95...
SierraHotel
2004.04.23, 1350
Too bad Microsoft makes everyone who uses it's HD standard pay royalties. When will the IEEE step in and make a true standard?
Too bad just about every major video standard has required royalties anyways. Heck with Apple to even view the high quality (last time I was browsing around the site) trailers they would only allow Quicktime Pro.
At least with this Microsoft standard the end user (well at least Windows end users) doesn't have to pay for the player, unlike DVDs, and other formats.
Too bad just about every major video standard has required royalties anyways. Heck with Apple to even view the high quality (last time I was browsing around the site) trailers they would only allow Quicktime Pro.
NTSC doesn't require royalties I believe.
l3lizz4rd
2004.04.23, 1733
HDD = Hard drive, imo
HD is fun, I like the Blue Angels one.
SierraHotel
2004.04.23, 1755
NTSC doesn't require royalties I believe.
It's also a badly implemented government standard. I once heard it called "Never the same color."
Every time you buy a DVD player, you are paying about $20 in royalties, the DVD remote for the Xbox for example is a $10 remote (at least $10 once it hits retail), plus $20 for DVD royalties.
Hence why the IEEE needs to step in. Don't argue with the Electrical Engineer.
SierraHotel
2004.04.23, 1922
Hence why the IEEE needs to step in. Don't argue with the Electrical Engineer.
The IEEE doesn't have the money to invent codec technolgies, and few companies are giving them away for free anymore. They would do the same thing that the DVD forum did, which is evaluate the various available codecs and create the standard using those codecs.
Recently the DVD forum approved the Microsoft VC-9 codec (which is the codec you used when you watched those HD demo videos) as the standard video compression for all HD-DVD's. That means that everytime you buy a DVD player or DVD you're giving a little bit of money to Microsoft. *insert Evil Bill Gates Laugh*
The IEEE doesn't have the money to invent codec technolgies
You honestly don't know much about the IEEE then.
SierraHotel
2004.04.23, 2005
Yes I know quite a bit about them. They are a useful organization, but they are the same as many of the forums out there, where a group of companies and researchers set a standard to move the technology beyond a format war (which is bad for consumers).
IEEE doesn't invent the standards, member organizations develop them and provide them to IEEE for approval. They are noted for holding the standards for fire wire and Ethernet.
The DVD forum, and the USB IF are two examples of groups that are doing quite fine without being part of a bigger group. Just because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't mean that they are bad.
Silly rabbit, trix are for kids.
They are noted for holding the standards for fire wire and Ethernet.
doh.
SierraHotel
2004.04.24, 1934
They are noted for holding the standards for fire wire and Ethernet.
doh.
Yeah I know 1394 and 802.3.
SierraHotel
2004.04.24, 2046
The standards Assication is the only section of IEEE I was reffering to. Now there are other sections.
The objective of any IEEE standards meeting is to develop and produce IEEE standards that reflect a consensus among industry, government, and the general public, and to serve the interests of those groups.
They hold the process for managing the 802 stadard (which includes 802.3 CSMA/CD, which is the foundation of Ethernet), and 1394, those are the two most well known standards that they manage. They also manage the process for a varity of other standards.
The main reason why I said the IEEE needs to step in is this:
The IEEE is bound by a Standard of Ethics, the written ethics for engineering. Unlike a corporation, the IEEE will make a standard that isn't for self-benefit, which is what needs to be done to make the technology move forward.
SierraHotel
2004.04.24, 2131
I don't see any thing wrong with the HD-DVD implementation. they evaluated multiple codecs and found that the VC-9 codec did very well. VC-9 was forced to meet the same standards as any other codec that applied for the HD-DVD implementation. And I must say that it does a good job, I remember the Halo 2 preview movie, it was fantastic quality for the file size. they also included the competing codec H.264 (based on MPEG 4) in for good measure.
Now Microsoft will be making money from the deal, but shouldn't a company that spends all that money to develop the codecs recoup the costs? It's not like they had that many had companies jumping up and down to give the codec away for free.
Developing codecs is hard, look at the current status of Xvid and Divx, it has major problems, sure it works fine alot of the time when the encoder and decoder are the same version, but deal with multiple version and it turns out horrible.
Now the DVD forum may not have a long standing history like the IEEE, but they do have to make sure that the industry groups develop an agreement. If they don't your going to have companies break apart and we would have another VHS-Beta war on our hands. That's one of the reason why that the Hollywood section of the group wants the VC-9 codec to be opened up, at least within the forum, so they can't force on them, I do believe that Microsoft agreed to it.
like microsoft agreeing to something actually means something. anti-trust, anyone?
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